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STAMP: Collect without Comment by Emotikonz STAMP: Collect without Comment by Emotikonz
Seriously, devianTARTS, stop whining about no one commenting when they fave. If you make commenting a prerequisite, people will either post one-word "COOL", "KAWAII", etc or just not fave it at all. And since faves affect its popularlity and therefore its exposure, that really hurts your audience. (Plus one-word comments are really annoying. I don't know how you guys feel - I personally can easily tolerate the ones I already get, no problem. However, I would NEVER willingly invite any more of them.)

So, listen to my Voice of Reason, and say you would LIKE a comment - and specify what you want in it, like a critique, or telling what they liked, so you get less one-worders - but that one is not required to fave it.

And those of you that want a feature forcing comments - you are idiots. Then ALL you get is non-favers and one-worders. Both of which will piss you off, but with that feature you can't let any SANE people just ignore your demands and fave without leaving you a KAWAII!!!11!1oneonee11!!

...so there.

New sister stamp for those on the other side:
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:iconelazulmax:
Elazulmax Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
cute
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:iconcrazynoggin:
crazynoggin Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I would like a comment saying "I hate it." More than a fave.
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:iconcrypticmachine:
CrypticMachine Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014  Student General Artist
Yeah I agree. I mean I love comments but, they don't have to if they don't want to.
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hermionie42 Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree totally with this stamp. One reason I do stuff like this is that I am short on time and don't have time to write comments on everything. Another reason is that I like a picture but don't have time to look at it with depth. So I fave it and come back later.
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rosannawolf Featured By Owner May 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I always comment and I'm always answering comments ^^
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:iconcyoneon:
Cyoneon Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014
I only ever favorited stuff if I liked them. I only put one-word comments because of the "Don't forget to comment!" that keeps popping up.
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:iconlpsanimalslovelife:
LpsAnimalsLoveLife Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014
The don't forgot to comment is just cause they would like a comment if you really wanted to most times...
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:iconkrazykatt11:
KrazyKatt11 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014
Dude, I totally agree. It's so annoying when people get all up in your face for not saying something when you don't have anything to say.
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Delta-YD Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2013  Student Digital Artist
:icontruestoryplz:
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XxDark-SkyXx Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
can i have the code?
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:iconemotikonz:
Emotikonz Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
Thumb codes for all deviations and journals can be found to the right of the comments (looks like this: :thumb12345678:).
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:iconemotikonz:
Emotikonz Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
Thumb codes for all deviations and journals can be found to the right of the comments (looks like this: :thumb12345678:).
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pumpkiyn Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2013
Omg Love this stamp<3 really hate the people that say it's "rude" to fav without commenting.. ._.
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:iconfluidgirl82:
FluidGirl82 Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2013
I personally don't care if people "fave and run," and I don't particularly care for one-word comments (though I'm guilty of it myself at times, but that's usually on photos of kittens, but I digress). I *like* to get comments, don't get me wrong, but I don't get all bent out of shape because I don't get them. I wonder about people sometimes.
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Ocsttiac Featured By Owner May 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"I do not not Fav & Run, I merely collect without comment."
That's... Completely synonymous. That's like saying "I don't kill people, I merely hit them until they stop moving."

Now, I don't support the idea of forcing a comment first before a fave, but it's very annoying when all you get are faves... It hurts our self esteem. Here, this journal will explain: [link]
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SilentNarrator Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't comment unless I actually have something to say. Most of the time, the art I :+fav: (err....collect without comment...) has left me speechless.....
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:iconlele-13:
Lele-13 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2012  Hobbyist
This is so true.
Most of the time, I don't even click the image. If it dosen't have words, I favorite it from the sample link.
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:iconkadri-chan:
Kadri-chan Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Definitely agree...

Many years ago, I watched an artist that was a big proponent of the "comment if you fave" movement. I would try to give her productive feedback whenever I faved something (I hate leaving one-word comments), but there was a point where my inbox got backed up and I went on a faving spree whilst cleaning it out -- without leaving comments, because I'm not made of time... and (again) because I hate leaving people one-word comments. ZOMG.

And then she came to my page and thanked me for my favorites... but then she informed me that she had this "rule," and that I'd forgotten to comment on any of the things I'd faved.

...

Out of the thousands of favorites I've given (I've been here a while), and the many generic "thanks for the fave" comments I have received... I have NEVER. EVER. Had anyone else come to my page and say "...thanks for the fave, BUT--"

What the hell?

So, I removed my favorites and I un-watched her ungrateful ass. :-devwatch:

The morale of this story is, favorites are nice and comments are awesome (especially when the commentator has something to say)... but demanding comments whenever someone faves your work makes you look like an asshole.

Nice stamp. :thumbsup:
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Sylvaur Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
...Isn't it the same thing?
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:iconemotikonz:
Emotikonz Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012
Practically? Perhaps. The deviantART engine tracking comments and favourites does not notice and does not care.
But socially? In the way you interact with other users and they interact with you? They are very different.

"Fav and run" has negative connotations, and is used in the same way as 'hit and run' - people who use that phrase are generally accusing you of having the audacity to add something to your favourites without commenting a long piece on why they are awesome!

"Collect with comment" means 'I am adding this to my favourites because I like it, and I'm not going to leave comments that don't mean anything just because you demand them'. Some people wanted to make comments required. To them I say NAY (the description already says why). Though they managed to get the "don't forget to comment!" line which is only marginally better.
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Sylvaur Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hu okay.
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Flutternostalgia Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2012
Try comment a any artwork with "comment disabled".
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Sasiadragon Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree in both stamp and what you're writing. I also remebered the time where I was afraid of faving because of all those comment before you fav-stamps that was all over the place. I didn't fav, because I didn't have a clue what to say.
Now I've realized how wonderful comments is, and (more important for my selfish me) that I enjoy the art way more and see a lot more details if I sit down and tries to tell the artist what I like about the piece of art instead of just telling them that I liked it (which also is what you do when you fave, I guess). I've ended up commenting about twice as much as faving after finding out ^^
... It would have been easier to say 'I agree', but you've got the point xD Great stamp.
This comment count for both this and the sister-stamp, by the way :3 Think you very much for making these stamps.
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William-of-Orange Featured By Owner May 5, 2012
We need more sane minds like yours! If this mentality was more common, dA would be all the better for it.

Incidentally, not begging that I "comment before faving" has now earned you an additional comment.
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:iconemotikonz:
Emotikonz Featured By Owner May 5, 2012
In the end deviantART caved, unfortunately. They at least didn't make it a requirement - but when you add something to your favourites, you'll notice the artist's icon gets a "don't forget to comment!" remark.

Which I hate, because it's all automatic which means it appears above mine too and even though I love comments - I really do - I don't want to make demands on people's time by begging for them. (Shut up, dA UI.)

Also, thanks, on both counts. :)
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William-of-Orange Featured By Owner May 7, 2012
I think it would be better if we could write our own remarks. That way, I could write "Thank you for +faving" or something like that. A little gratitude goes a long way, sometimes.
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Hero7210 Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
i totally agree! haha :D
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NatalieBaileyHardin Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Generally even if I was going to fave it, when someone DEMANDS I comment before I fave, I just fave and run xD If you request a critique or something I'll give it, but if you demand you dont' get it.
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4-Q Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
:clap:
I love :+fav:ing and not commenting even more when anyone requests that.
unless I have something genuine to contribute.
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Vanshira Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2010  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
If you make commenting a prerequisite, people will either post one-word "COOL", "KAWAII", etc or just not fave it at all. <- This is me. The mere sight of :iconcommentplz: in the ACs will usually make me just run without faving or commenting. No matter how good the work in question is.

Even when I'd intended to do both before I saw THAT DAMNED ICON.
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:iconemotikonz:
Emotikonz Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2010
Ooooh, sting! :lol: What a pity that merely informing someone of this would meet their demands, and they'd not know if you didn't....?

Once I faved something (too awesome not too) and said "you demanded a comment, so you get one"... and the (quite-long)comment consisted entirely of why you shouldn't demand comments. :ninja:

...they never replied. :giggle:
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:iconvanshira:
Vanshira Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2010  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
...Well, if they ever did get the option to force a comment before faving, I would inevitably leave a comment along the lines of "Here's your f***ing comment. I'm not going to fave, because obviously the comment is all you wanted; are you happy yet?"

Because really, were they expecting an endless outpouring of constructive praise and criticism with that tactic?

...I should do that now...
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:iconemotikonz:
Emotikonz Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2010
Wow, that does sound deliciously malicious. Maybe I should take a page out of your book and do that. (ಠuಠ)=b
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:iconvanshira:
Vanshira Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2010  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Because if I had a penny for every deviation I've refused to fave for just that reason, I could keep myself subscribed for two years...
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Finger--fungus Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2010
This is my favourite stamp evarr xD.
I'm an avid 'collector' myself ;D.
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mozesandme Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2010  Student Writer
THIS IS LOL!
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Mirz123 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010
Bravo. Yes, yes. Even though 90% of the time I do comment when I fave, I don't mind those who don't.

WHat I like even more about this stamp is the font. Nice one. :thumbsup:
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:iconemotikonz:
Emotikonz Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2010
You mean "brava", since I'm a woman. ;)
Thank you. :)
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Mirz123 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2010
Hmm. I guess you are right, but I think us here in the States don't pay mind too much to that rule. Anyway...

"BRAVA" :clap:
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Corupted-Data Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2010  Professional General Artist
i dont know why im commenting since i agree, but i guess i felt the need to :D i think a :+fav: is a complament, and people shouldnt be forced to giva a reason why they like it. Some times you dont even know why you like it.
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:iconemotikonz:
Emotikonz Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2010
True. Or the reason you like it might be overly simple anyway - BECAUSE ITS FAN ARTZ!!! for example.
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Corupted-Data Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2010  Professional General Artist
i've goten a few of thoughs faves. ones like that can just be good for popularity. That, or atleast you know your art's being seen
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Rattlesire Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
We have a Critique for subscribers. Artists should already know Deviantart is not by any means the best place to 'get noticed'. 3/4s of what appears on the front page is laughable in the eyes of the professional looking to hire a potential artist. I can't tell you how many people in my own class have been laughed at and thrown out for having fan art in their portfolios, let alone relying on Deviantart community to 'register' their 'art on the chart'.

I'm all for looking for critiques and positive reviews or you know, words of encouragement or tips on how to get better, but really, that's why we have tutorials, books, and workshops. If you're really intent on getting your work improved, you need to go out, and do that improvement yourself, and find yourself a credible art community that actually -takes- your artwork PAST the fanart seriously.

I approve of this stamp. This is a community of people who love art. Collecting, is what we do.
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Emotikonz Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2010
Thank you. Wow. I agree with what you say and am embaressed to admit you have summed up the situation so well (particularly the first paragraph) that I feel I really have nothing to add..! :paranoid:
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Rattlesire Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
It amuses me so much that people come here expecting to get the same results in the real world. Deviantart is like high school. You're still handed everything, or you're the kid who has to earn his popularity from being a geek. But nothing you do social wise -matters- after you get out of that school and into the real world. You have to start with a clean slate, and really make a mark in the world. That's where people have the adjustment problem. I mean really, I have to admit, many things on the front page are gorgeous, eye candy, and admiring.

But when you go to a bookstore, and see art that is way -under- the skills of the people on this site, you learn quickly that it isn't always about your skill or how popular amongst the communities you are. Its how you show off to a potential client. Commissions is a great way to earn money on here. This is true. Great way to make art buddies for life, and find opportunities. But if you're here looking for a means to hit the high league, you need to get yourself off this site and into a college. Comments from people here, honestly mean NOTHING. They're friendly polite gestures from the community, people who have come to say "I love this." Why do they love it? It's probably fan art. Anime. It's probably the style they're yearning to learn themselves. It may even be a concept they think is original. But are they going to get you a salary for the year and promote you to high status? Absolutely not. I've seen people with shitty work with tons of comments. Their art is by no means improved. I've seen fantastic art with little comments. But they are taking care of themselves and improving without the use of comments! What an amazing and sinning concept this must be to people.

Really. It amuses me -.-.
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MidnightTapejara Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2011
Wait. People actually expect they'll get hired by posting stuff here? I thought this was a site for, you know, fun.

This is news to me, though now that I think about it, some kids act like they're about to become the next big thing.
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Rattlesire Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
DA is very popular for getting people popular in their craft. It's no surprise, from a basic marketing standpoint, however. Anything more then that and you're working with something that could undermine your profession entirely.
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MidnightTapejara Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2011
I know, it's just that when your a teen it seems like it should be more about the fun of it.
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:iconemotikonz:
Emotikonz Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2010
This is true. :nod:
I suppose people are hoping that the (realitvely) new Portfolio feature is supposed to give deviantARTists more standing, though many great artists without premium can't use it and many crapolas can (and probably do, though most likely out of experimentation than anything else).
Even with this feature, the best portfolios I would say are the ones that are self-created to show a little more independence - as well as the oppurtunity to show more creativity - than just a template. That said, for those who are still testing the waters I suppose it can help them get into the 'groove', as it were, for how they work...

Popularity on deviantART is nothing more than an ego-boost, however people wanting comments - specifically what they liked about it (hopefullly beyond NARUTO IS KAWAII!!!, and more constructive) are most likely hoping for advice on how to improve.
Personally I think it is unrealistic that everyone be expected to provide this, even if they were willing, since most people tend to +fav art of higher quality to their own (lower quality and all they can see is the flaws...) and therefore will probably have little valuable information to add until the flaws stick right out in their face..!

You're going quite deeply into an area of deviantART community I merely brushed over. This is quite interesting. I am reading your comments fully with interest although I have little I can add or debate about them.
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Rattlesire Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
It's alright. XD. We collect without comment, I don't expect you to comment with comment.

The portfolio feature, it is relatively new, and at the same time, it's also relatively hidden. I honestly had absolutely no clue DA had a portfolio feature until I stumbled across an artist who had a Journal CSS linking to their own portfolio. I am sure many professionals, while they may not despise Deviantart, do avoid it, so I can only imagine what a URL linking to a Deviantart Portfolio, especially to those who have no clue what it is, is going to assume.

There are many problems with Deviantart's systems. The comments, the front page, the favorite system, the 'Daily Deviations'. It is a friendly community for artists by artists, but it is by no means 'to' artists in terms of professional application. It's ridiculous how seriously people take something as simple as pageviews in terms of how 'good' they are at art.


But besides the lack of intelligence in the community...XD Do you by any chance take requests for animated icons? I was flipping through your gallery, trying to see if you took commissions or not. I like your concept of the little emoticon profile pages for users, it's very dynamic. I was wondering if you would be up to pulling one off for me, whether by request or commission. :3
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